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SharePoint's CCIE - The SharePoint Master Certification Announced
Today in a post under the fold, the SharePoint team announced that the SharePoint certification was going to the next level.  A new Master Certification program which helps prove your *real* skills and depth.  (You may have heard about this for SQL, Exchange, AD, etc...)  For the SharePoint master program the prerequesites include both Configuring exams and both Dev Exams for WSS and SharePoint Server.  Not only that, but prior experience in either SPS 2003 or CMS 2003 with infrastructure and custom development.  That really narrows the field...  Still interested in proving you know your stuff?  How about $18,500USD on the table for a 3 week course and a board certification.  Pretty wild stuff! 
 
I remember doing a Windows 2000 MCSE from scratch for 10K which included essentially 4-6 weeks of MOC courses, so really from a training perspective this is really not a bad deal.  I am anxious to hear people that survive the course and the board.  I think I'll be hitting my manager up for it, when I find out who is teaching the courses and who exactly developed the courseware.  :)
 
My only caveat for me is the dev part of this whole thing.  I guess I need to spend less time preaching about not customizing and more time digging into the SDK...  In my analysis of the SharePoint community and especially the MVPs, they either fall in the Dev camp or the Infra/IT camp.  The only odd balls that hit both are too smart and work for MS.  I don't know, I think using both sides of the brain is too hard, but maybe that's what we need to see.  I'm anxious to see the Kimmos, Lucas, Watsons, Petrys and Bogue's of the world show us how easily this is done.
 
If you asked me I think we need SharePoint Dev Masters, Design Masters, and SharePoint IT Masters (the real Architects).  What do I know?  Prove me wrong.
 
 

Comments

The Config Tests were easy

It's true I do think the Config tests were too easy.  I don't think those really prepare you for much more than saying you have done some homework.
 
I think we needed a step in between.  Is that the Dev tests?  I don't know.
Joel Oleson at 11/11/2008 12:16 AM

Jeremy Thake - on my blog too

I've done a similar review based on announcement today: http://wss.made4the.net/archive/2008/11/11/mcp-microsoft-certified-master-microsoft-office-sharepoint-server-2007.aspx Agree withcomments about current MCTS exams, met people who have passed them and have no clue about SharePoint and they admit it. They took them because they had the spare time and exam vouchers! That's not what it's about!
at 11/11/2008 2:06 AM

Maybe it's too soon for dev only

I was commenting here but quickly realized it was time for a blog post on the subject. Check out my blog later today for comments. maggie++ http://MaggiePlusPlus.com
at 11/11/2008 5:27 AM

On Being a SharePoint Master

Hi Joel,
I Just threw in my $ 0.02 worth on the subject. Although I was specifically addressing the Certified Master program, I do think there should be a more robust certification available for the individual specialties (e.g. Admin/Dev/Design/CM/BI/Search).
 - Woody -
at 11/11/2008 5:52 AM

It won't scale to the deployments.

for those folks with the apptitude to be the certified master, its great news. Lots of people will throw business at your feet and you'll never want for more work. But you'll suddently become the most sought after/most overworked resource on the team (unless the whole team gets trained @~18k each). This is like when we got MCSD + MCSE people. You were deeply skilled but that didn't mean you could do the work of 10 people.
I'd rather see one cert for SharePoint Project Manager (or architect) for planning and resource loading with specific emphasis on identifying core features to use, compliance, governance (had to plug that for you), and timelining the whole release management process from pilot to production. Add the SharePoint Dev stuff to suppliment MCSD (MCSD + MOSS?) and the Infrastructure stuff should be added to the MCSE type training since all intra/extranet based applications should be core, regardless of MOSS/WSS.
Helping to build a skills bridge for the MCSD folks to learn web part development. Those aren't necessarily the same skills for taxonomy, etc.
at 11/11/2008 8:07 AM

The current certs prove nothing

Not to be a hater, but I've been with Sharepoint since the first version, and work on both the infrastructure and Dev sides as an architect, and the practice tests for certificaton didn't seem to really represent what one needs to know to really work with Sharepoint on any level.
 
Add to this the fact that the English book on Microsoft press is riddled with errors anbd vagaries, and MS' own documentation (Check out stsadm index of operations) is frequently incorrect, incomplete, or superficially vague, AND that the Sharepint UI is filled with errors and is designed poorly, at best, and I don't completely understand the justification for a nineteen thousand dollar price tag for a "Master" certification.  Maybe MS should master their own product first.  Otherwise, it just looks like more money-grubbing from M$.
-jthomas
at 11/11/2008 8:07 AM

The current certs prove nothing

Not to be a hater, but I've been with Sharepoint since the first version, and work on both the infrastructure and Dev sides as an architect, and the practice tests for certificaton didn't seem to really represent what one needs to know to really work with Sharepoint on any level.
 
Add to this the fact that the English book on Microsoft press is riddled with errors anbd vagaries, and MS' own documentation (Check out stsadm index of operations) is frequently incorrect, incomplete, or superficially vague, AND that the Sharepint UI is filled with errors and is designed poorly, at best, and I don't completely understand the justification for a nineteen thousand dollar price tag for a "Master" certification.  Maybe MS should master their own product first.  Otherwise, it just looks like more money-grubbing from M$.
-jthomas
at 11/11/2008 8:09 AM

It won't scale to the deployments.

for those folks with the apptitude to be the certified master, its great news. Lots of people will throw business at your feet and you'll never want for more work. But you'll suddently become the most sought after/most overworked resource on the team (unless the whole team gets trained @~18k each). This is like when we got MCSD + MCSE people. You were deeply skilled but that didn't mean you could do the work of 10 people.
I'd rather see one cert for SharePoint Project Manager (or architect) for planning and resource loading with specific emphasis on identifying core features to use, compliance, governance (had to plug that for you), and timelining the whole release management process from pilot to production. Add the SharePoint Dev stuff to suppliment MCSD (MCSD + MOSS?) and the Infrastructure stuff should be added to the MCSE type training since all intra/extranet based applications should be core, regardless of MOSS/WSS.
Helping to build a skills bridge for the MCSD folks to learn web part development. Those aren't necessarily the same skills for taxonomy, etc.
at 11/11/2008 8:36 AM

It won't scale to the deployments.

for those folks with the apptitude to be the certified master, its great news. Lots of people will throw business at your feet and you'll never want for more work. But you'll suddently become the most sought after/most overworked resource on the team (unless the whole team gets trained @~18k each). This is like when we got MCSD + MCSE people. You were deeply skilled but that didn't mean you could do the work of 10 people.
I'd rather see one cert for SharePoint Project Manager (or architect) for planning and resource loading with specific emphasis on identifying core features to use, compliance, governance (had to plug that for you), and timelining the whole release management process from pilot to production. Add the SharePoint Dev stuff to suppliment MCSD (MCSD + MOSS?) and the Infrastructure stuff should be added to the MCSE type training since all intra/extranet based applications should be core, regardless of MOSS/WSS.
Helping to build a skills bridge for the MCSD folks to learn web part development. Those aren't necessarily the same skills for taxonomy, etc.
at 11/11/2008 8:45 AM

my thoughts on the MCM

http://www.harbar.net/archive/2008/11/21/Microsoft-Certified-Master-for-SharePoint.aspx
at 11/22/2008 9:40 PM

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